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ACC Expansion Poses Scheduling Questions: How is UVA affected?

With Pittsburgh and Syracuse set to join the ACC at some point in the seemingly distant future (most likely 2013), the conference's powers-that-be have a tough task ahead of them: assigning the new additions to football conferences and working out new scheduling systems without angering 14 fan-bases in multiple sports. Our friends over at BC Interruption discussed the potential that these problems would be resolved, at least partially, at the ACC Winter Meetings this week. Let's take a look at the scheduling possibilities and how Virginia's seasons would look.

Football Divisions

We'll focus on two main questions. First, what is to be done with football conferences and schedules? To review, each ACC team plays 8 conference games - 5 within its division, 1 permanent cross-division rival (ours is Maryland), and 2 more cross-division games on a rotating basis (ours were @FSU and vs. NC State last year). Thankfully, the conference reportedly plans to keep the Atlantic and Coastal Divisions intact, plugging one newbie into each.

If Syracuse is inserted into the Coastal and Pitt in the Atlantic, UVA would make the trek to the Carrier Dome every other year. The Orange and Panther could be declared "permanent rivals," or Syracuse could be paired with a more natural BC team (in that case, Pitt could probably be stuck with Tech). This arrangement implicitly makes more sense. If the decision is reversed, Atlantic teams could have to make two treks to the northeast each year to take on Cuse and BC. I can't imagine Florida State or Clemson would be thrilled about that.

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Assuming this alignment holds true, you could start to see the problem with future schedules. UVA would play yearly dates against VT, Miami, GT, Duke, UNC, Syracuse and Maryland (with UMD our designated cross-division rival). That is seven games. We would then have just one more game to rotate through the Atlantic's other six teams.

Obviously, seeing a team once every six years (and once every 12 at home) is not ideal. Two options for averting this are immediately clear. The first would be to eliminate the concept of cross-division rivals; this way, UVA would have two games to rotate through 7 teams, which would keep intact approximately the same yearly intervals as the present. While this seems reasonable, and it would serve to "balance" ACC schedules in the long run, teams are designated as rivals for a reason. Further tweaks might be needed as, for example, Florida State and Miami would probably want to meet each year. UVA does have that rivalry with the Terps, but I don't think many would miss biannual trips to College Park...

An option that hasn't gotten much traction would be to add an extra conference game, bringing the total to 9. ACC schedules would basically be the same after expansion as before (with the one extra game being against the team added to each division). I like this option, and I would think most fans would be with me. Next year, UVA plays Penn State, Richmond, @TCU, and Louisiana Tech out of conference. Replacing that thriller against the Louisiana Tech Bulldogs with a meaningful conference game seems like a no brainer. There are drawbacks that have kept the ACC from bringing the proposal to serious discussion; it unbalances the schedule, as half the teams would have the advantage of an extra home game. Schools also aren't thrilled about the idea of making the magic "6 win" mark harder to reach and giving up a home game every other year (though that could be worked around with some more creative scheduling). Though it doesn't appear likely, the Pac-12 employs a 9 game conference schedule now, and it's something worth considering in the future.

Overall, it's tough to see how expansion really helps us or the ACC from a football perspective when you look at our future schedules - the option of decade-long spans between visits to ACC schools seems to defeat the idea of a conference, and sucking the life out of our yearly beatdowns of Maryland is similarly disappointing.

Basketball Scheduling

Basketball schedules are another issue altogether. Luckily, there are a couple factors that make this process a bit easier. First, there are no pesky divisions to consider. Also, the league has already decided to increase the number of conference games from 16 to 18 starting next year. That said, the lack of divisions also makes unbalanced scheduling an even bigger issue.

Take this year, for instance. UVA has one of the hardest conference schedules in the ACC, playing FSU and UNC twice, while only getting conference bottom-feeders Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, and Boston College once each. Georgia Tech, on the other hand, only has to take on ACC powers Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, and Florida State once each! (Yes, I enjoyed writing that previous sentence). The point is, balance is one major goal of scheduling, and lack of balanced schedules has pretty drastic effects on the standings.

The other goal should be maintaining rivalries. Currently, each team has 2 designated rivals that they play twice every year (ours are Virginia Tech and Maryland - for the ACC's full setup, try wikipedia). However, the numbers will no longer add up cleanly after the changes are instituted.

David Teel at the Daily Press described the possible solutions:

One scheduling model that works for 14 teams increases the number of partners to three. Under that plan, Duke, North Carolina, North Carolina State and Wake Forest could all play one another twice every regular season, as they did until the ACC's 2004-05 expansion.

But Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski prefers trimming partners to only one, and his logic is compelling. Such a model would send Syracuse and Pitt to more ACC venues more often, introducing them to more fans.

I agree with Coach K. Let me go wash my mouth out with soap. There's no reason we MUST see Maryland at home each year, especially if it's coming at the expense of an extra visit from the Dukies, a first look at Pitt, or an extra gimme against that year's ACC basement. However, I think expecting an increase to three is a better bet. NC State, for example, won't be thrilled to lose yearly visits from UNC once the Tar Heels are paired with Duke. Maryland would probably lose both Virginia and Duke and be stuck with whoever is left.

Expect Virginia's basketball schedules down the road to look like this: 6 games of home-and-homes with Virginia Tech, Maryland, and whoever the ACC sticks us with to work things out (likely Pitt or Syracuse?), 4 games of two more rotating home-and-homes, and 8 more games against the remaining teams. Regardless of what is decided, conference recrods will depend more on how one's schedule turns out and be a poorer true measure of performance. The increase to 18 games helps somewhat; still, come back to me when we could play a 26 game round robin (joking...kinda).

The increase in conference games should be a welcome adjustment for Virginia fans. We agonize every year when Towson, Maryland-Eastern Shore, and the like come to JPJ in a sinister quest to destroy our RPI. However, these games are partially just a desperate attempt to fill out our out-of-conference schedules with dates that work for both parties. The addition of Pitt and Syracuse and increase in conference games may annoy the Carolina schools, but they positively affect our future basketball schedules overall.

It will be interesting to see how the ACC resolves the existing trade-offs and diverging interests. The only sure bet is that there will be plenty of belly-aching as soon as any decision is actually announced, regardless of what it is. As usual, we will be here to lead the pack of complainers whenever anything is made official

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Rivalries

I know I’ve heard that what Syracuse and Pitt want will be a secondary concern to what the current 12 members want wrt divisional alignment, but I have a hard time believing the ACC will separate Syracuse and Pitt and then not have them play annually. Syracuse-Pitt have faced one another 67 times. That’s not a lightweight rivalry that the conference can kill off easily by placing Cuse in the Coastal, Pitt in the Atlantic and Cuse-BC and VT-Pitt as the cross-overs.

I think a much more logical alignment is Syracuse in the Atlantic and Pitt in the Coastal, with Syracuse-Pitt as the cross-overs. This seems to maximize the rivalries in terms of length of the all-time series, something that I think the ACC has struggled with post-expansion (e.g. BC-Maryland is a very artificial rivalry that we gave up in favor of BC-Miami).

Syracuse also has a long history with Maryland (34 games), while Pitt’s rivals are Syracuse (67), Miami (32), BC (29) and, believe it or not, Duke (17).

The ACC can get creative in its scheduling with Florida State and Clemson only coming north once a year, but I think the much more simpler solution is Syracuse to the Atlantic, Pitt to the Coastal and Syracuse-Pitt cross-divisional. This preserves Cuse-Pitt, Cuse-BC (a big one for us) and VT-Pitt (which apparently is a thing for the Hokies).

by Brian Favat on Jan 30, 2012 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

Took on BC-Maryland and dropped yearly games with Miami, is what I meant.

by Brian Favat on Jan 30, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Alternative

Boston College to the Coastal, and both Syracuse and Pittsburgh to the Atlantic.

I’ve always felt BC was a better fit in the Coastal (more like-minded schools). Since BC never won ACC football, I’m assuming like MLB, that it would be OK to move the Eagles over so that you aren’t disrupting any sort of history (which is why the Brewers and Astros are the only NL teams ever mentioned to switch leagues).

Cross-overs become BC-Syracuse and BC-Pitt

This preserves Cuse-Pitt, BC-Cuse, BC-VT, VT-Pitt and allows BC to resume a yearly game against Miami.

by Brian Favat on Jan 30, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

Sounds like to me

that at the end of the day, the former Big East schools really just want to stay together. At some point, do we break down some of those rivalries to work on new ones? VT-Pitt never really made that much sense to me anyway. But if all the Big East schools want to be happy, sounds like we put all five of them in one division, along with Virginia (sigh) and Maryland. UVA-UNC becomes a cross-divisional pair, FSU-Miami get paired, and then pretty much everyone else is a crapshoot.

I don’t actually agree with what I just said, but that would probably be the ideal setup if BC/VT/Pitt/Cuse are concerned about preserving their rivalries.

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by Brian J. Leung on Jan 30, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be a disaster

It makes sense and is also what you get when you look for a straight north/south geographic breakdown. Sure, we’d still play VT and Maryland yearly, but losing the Carolinas in exchange for trips to Pitt, Cuse, and BC would be a bummer. Thankfully, for whatever reason, it doesn’t seem like the ACC is inclined to go this way, but seems like a worst case for us

by Brian Schwartz on Jan 30, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I intensely HATE North-South or Old Big East-Old ACC realignment proposals

Because its always UVa that loses out on most of it’s historic rivalries with the more southern half of the conference. I’m already pretty bummed out that we don’t get to see Wake or Clemson more often.

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by wahoocrew on Jan 30, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Buyers Remorse Divisions

I don’t think you have to go all Old Big East and ACC to make BC, Syracuse and Pitt happy.

BC’s interest, above all else, is in keeping a yearly game with Syracuse.
Syracuse’s interest is keeping BC and Pitt.
Virginia Tech’s, for whatever reason, is about minimizing travel distances, booting BC as a cross-divisional rival and picking up Pitt.

These interests aren’t mutually exclusive, but I’d argue that BC, Syracuse and Pitt’s interests trump VT’s. I really don’t see other ACC schools having a more compelling interest in where either goes.

Syracuse to Atlantic, Pitt to Coastal and Syracuse-Pitt cross-divisional is the path of least resistance. Doesn’t mess with any of the existing cross-divisional rivalries, makes BC-Syracuse an intra-divisional game (which carries more weight in standings) and VT-Pitt an intra-divisional game.

by Brian Favat on Jan 30, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

9 games

I used to think the ACC was headed towards a 9-game conference sched, but I don’t anymore.

Still don’t think it has enough support from the like of Florida State and Clemson, who see it as an additional hurdle to make the BCS. I also think the northern programs will want the added flexibility of a fourth non-conference game to play more traditional opponents like Notre Dame, Penn State, etc.

The Big Ten going back on its 9-game schedule format (with the new Pac-12 deal) and the SEC stating that they have no plans to move to 9-games make me think the ACC will stick with 8 for now. The conference just got added TV inventory with the 2 extra basketball games and might not need an additional football game to extract significant value-add from ESPN/ABC.

by Brian Favat on Jan 30, 2012 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

And I highly doubt the cross-divisional permanent rivalry game is going away short of Florida State and Miami getting put into the same division (same with Clemson-Georgia Tech to a lesser extent).

by Brian Favat on Jan 30, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Louisana Tech ain't no slouches

They held TCU and almost won that bowl game, fellas. You best keep that in mind.

by ragekage on Jan 30, 2012 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

A quick glance at their 2011 depth chart

shows that they’re losing a good portion of their defense next year. (Hmm… sounds familiar). Hopefully they won’t be quite as legit. But then again, after the Idaho game, maybe it’s best that they’re better. Sometimes I think we play to the level of our competition. (Obviously excluding some games… Virginia Tech…)

by Cardscrazy247 on Jan 30, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

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